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May 04, 2006

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Dan Wickett

Very cool Jeff -thanks. I love how you went from your writing going from "fucking homework" to something that you so obviously enjoy.

jeff ford

Dan: Thanks for your posts. Yeah, it was a hard sell at first, but for anyone who loves reading and learning it's naturally a fun and interesting pursuit. And actually, I've really become more interested from a craft perspective as to better ways to integrate research and story. If I have my way -- which I rarely do -- I'd like to write one more historical type mystery set in the 1960's, of course on or around my beloved Long Island, but this time dealing with the CIA's MK Ultra project. Maybe sometime in the future.

Gwenda

Okay, so what's the absolute weirdest thing that leaps to mind that you ever came across while researching? Or, barring that, your favorite?

jeff ford

Here's one. In Mrs. Charbuque I had a character who read the future in human shit as Mrs. C.'s dad does in snowflakes. I thought what lovely bookends. Anyway this character, I can't remember his name now, is steeped in shit, so to speak. To do a little researcvh I turned to the amazing book End Product a non-fiction work about the history and philosophy of shit through the ages. You gotta read this book. Anyway, in there there's a story about a certain member of the royalty of some country (facts are vague now, but the overall story is vivid) and he was practicing this technique that said that if you ate the right diet you would never shit. Like his doctor believed it was bad for your health to take a dump. Anyway, this prince, duke, whatever, went six months without taking a shit. Then, eventually, he dropped this bolus, hammerhead load and dropped dead. For some reason that story makes me laugh.

marlyat2

I roar off to the Carolinas and then NYC; when I come back, you’re as everywhere as air, or close enough...

That magical feeling of everything coalescing and coming to one via a kind of research-karma is something I’ve been fascinated by. I remember Allan Gurganus talking about making things up within historical context and long afterward finding out that the made-up things had really existed—another twist on the mystery of time and story karma.

Oh, and I'd like to second what John Klima said about "Creation." A major story, and a great place to meet Jeff Ford (and his dad.)

jeff ford

Hey, Marly, you've done some of the historical stuff to if I'm not mistaken. Thanks for posting. I'll bet we could get a whole bunch of writers to weigh in on research karma. It might make a great book. It's pretty indisputable that it exists.

Karen Fowler

This is one of the best essays I've ever read about the historical setting and the energy research brings to the writer. I'll be cribbing from it a lot in years to come. In my own experience as a writer, setting has gone from being the element I thought least about to the one I think most about.
I now find contemporary settings particularly hard to bring to life. I think this has something to do with the absence of the surprises historical research provides or else simple fact that a historical setting inevitably puts you immediately into an imaginary world. (Not that our contemporary world is any less unlikely or insane simply for being ours. Case in point -- the election of Arnold Schwarzenegger as governor of California.)
Can you say something about flip side of historical settings, Jeff? How do you go about making the contemporary world as influential in a story as the historic setting is?

jeff ford

Karen: I never thought of this, actually. It's a great question. Because there is something of the world building, if you know what I mean, in creating a contemporary setting. I think the difference is that I'm making greater assumptions as to agreement on a shared reality with the reader, although I have a feeling this is less solid than I believe. But take me out of white middle class America and put me anywhere else I'd have to research. One thing I do believe in, to some extent is that if a fiction writer is on his/her game, heshe can intuit other realities that might not yet have been experienced. I think that just by having a well exercized imagination you can imagine appropriately how something would be in another culture. I've been told by some readers of Mexican origin that Diego's heritage seems realistic, at least not a distraction. Granted, I cheated by having him so Americanized, but there came a point in the writing, after exstensive research, about this character from another culture when I finally just had to let go and trust my imagination and let him live in my mind free of research markers and footnotes. Not this really follows with what I was just talking about, but place and time both have to do with voice and the clarity with which I can render physical detail. I obviously need to consider this more, and I will. Thanks for the great post

Kassia

Hey Jeff -- I wanted to respond to this comment you made and let my week get away from me. And since there's not a good place to slide it in, figured what the heck, why not here. You said, "And in latter years I've found that it is more interesting to try to understand characters that like each other than those who don't. although that doesn't seem to make sense fictional-wise."

I think that sometimes dislike is too easy -- you have conflict right on the surface. But families, even those families that seem so tight-knit, have all sorts of tensions beneath the surface. I think exploring why people like each other makes perfect sense, fiction-wise. It makes the hard choices even more powerful.

Jeff Ford

Kassia: I wish I'd said that. Yes, that's what I meant. Thanks.

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